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sLiceR · Nov 04, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

/notsigned

Siren · Nov 04, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Thom

What exactly is elitist about wanting to play against more than one actual player in online PvP?

Someone needs to answer this question.

Symeon · Nov 04, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04

/signed

Get heroes out of HA asap. Why?

Because HA is PvP, and PvP stands for Player-versus-Player. Playing against bots, put quite simply, is boring - or in other words, it can never match up to the excitement of fighting other players.

The opposition again and again are bringing up this argument that 'If we cannot beat the bots then we shouldn't be PvPing.' It's not about that at all. It's about enjoyment of PvP - and heroes in HA change that to boredom of PvBot.

In the first place, ANet contradicts its own promotion of teamplay. They nerf solo farming in PvE to get people to play with other players, then they add these all-customisable Heroes to the game? Someone tell me what exactly ANet was thinking. And that's PvE - then they dare to bring them into PvP, to the height of skill and team co-ordination gameplay?

Heroes and henchmen are not players therefore they should not be in PvP battles in the first place. An arena was created for Hero use and that is where they should be kept in the PvP islands.

If the people that are playing Heroway are low-ranked and can't get into good teams, then maybe... oh wait, should I say it... maybe... maybe that's the fault of the rank system, and the rank system is the thing that needs changing. And that's an age old discussion. If people are playing Heroway for fun, then the question needs to be asked, why aren't they playing in the arena created specifically for Heroes? If that Arena isn't good enough, maybe that needs changing.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Bocjo Bassannn · Nov 04, 2006, 10:33 AM // 10:33

yes yes and yes... get the hero's out of ha its pvp not hero arena's

arcanemacabre · Nov 04, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I love it. I keep seeing the same thing over and over: It's PvP, not PvAI! Newsflash, there is at least one player on that AI team. It's still PvP, even if it's 8Pv1P. The heroes can be built from the ground up by the player and micro-managed to an almost human-player extent. What exactly is the problem? Seems like it would take more skill (but very possible) to win with heroes, thus introducing a new potential.

Instead of shunning it, embrace it. Try a 3P+3H build. Try adding a godly AI interrupter to a 5-man build.

Slawo · Nov 04, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53

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Originally Posted by Aera

Let ppl have fun with heroes. If you can't beat em, you should probably stop playing because you suc

I dont have fun beat heroway in ca. 1 min

I want play pvp .
Heroes go to Zaishen Challenge !

/signed

Lord Mendes · Nov 04, 2006, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

loads of BS

I have pwned ur teams, and i will keep pwning them (with or without heroes) until u give up HA... and that will never change.
I'm sorry but these l33tests ur hench are beating are actually cookie-cutter twats that cant play for schit. The good players will still walk all over u and ur AI friends, rank u in the face, and make u quit HA.
/signed, id rather beat six of u excited skill-less retards because it is so much more fun and makes my epeen grow ten times bigger.

Lord Mendes · Nov 04, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by Retniwreven

First off, /notsigned

I find this thread hilarious. You feel challenged and threatened because a couple of NPC heroes and one person can beat you? Learn to play, please.

Anyways, someone will flame me for that, but seriously. If you want people to stop using heroes, give them a reason. Invite them into your group. I see no reason for someone to wait for a group of other people their rank when they can simply load up some heroes and go.

If you're going to be elitist about rank, I see no reason for us, the unranked/low ranked, to respect anything you have to say.

rank is the most insignificant measure of PvP skill, and i have played with horrible players that sport a tiger (or even phoenix). Rank has absolutely nothing 2 do with heroes, and if you think that you are good because you (or actually ur heroes) can beat a rank9 team full of IWAYers, that in no way makes you leet.
Do i feel threatened? hell no. On the contrary, i laugh at heroways that still lose when they r ganking me 12v6, and i dont feel challenged one bit. I feel bored.

TMWNN · Nov 04, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

for all types of pvp the team should be half made up of human players at a minimum.

HA is a joke when 9/10 teams (at least untill you hit the 1st relic run anyway) are 1 human player teams.

Yes its easy fame but if I wanted to steamroll AI or npc's i'd be playing pve, not HA.

Ares982 · Nov 04, 2006, 01:27 PM // 13:27

And how about a compromise? Heroes will be available to all players below r3. When they get their rank, they lose heroes.

Mr Seph · Nov 04, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

/signed

Not that beating heroway after heroway after heroway playing only that searing flames build is bad. Its amusing to win matches in under 1 minute and all, but after 1-2 hours of this, you kinda want a challenge. After 6v6 was introduced in HA, alot of top-pvp'ers left it for what it was, cuz its just no fun anymore.
Now, Anet introduces the heroes into HA, some top-pvp'ers still play it, for getting easier fame, others leave cuz this makes things even more boring.
I used to play HA sometimes for 5 - 6 hours a day, now i cant stand sitting on a chair farming Heroes for 2 hours in a row.

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rank is the most insignificant measure of PvP skill, and i have played with horrible players that sport a tiger (or even phoenix).

I agree with this completely. Yesterday, got ganked in halls by the non-holding team (we werent holding either), and their motivation for doing this was: "We are not stupid, we are r6, everyone knows you have to kill the highest ranked group first in Hall of Heroes."

Edit: I think even Anet sees the dying evolution in the international districts in HA though.
With 8v8, there were 4 id's in euro times. They changed it to 6v6, it ended up with 3id'd, and now with all the heroes, its 2 id's in the oh so fun euro times.

Wretchman Drake · Nov 04, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

/signed

Get heroes out of HA asap. Why?

Because HA is PvP, and PvP stands for Player-versus-Player. Playing against bots, put quite simply, is boring - or in other words, it can never match up to the excitement of fighting other players.

So you're just saying you want real players so they can be dumb and stand in nukes or not kite as often, become less superior... I find the ability to add Heros a more of a challenge at times, with their reflexes buffed.

And to the fool who said that's what Hero Battles are for, Hero Battles is a horrid layout. Cap bases and fight to get 20 kills with dumbed down faction, not worth my time. Last nite I did HA with Heros and Henchies and beat a real team, I had 3 monks, my 2 hero monks and me, as I locked targets for my interuppter and other characters. If you guys can't beat it, learn to do better than because it's obvious it's human error that cannot defeat Heroway if you can't.

I don't think people would come on here and complain simply because they aren't real. I can however see for example the original poster complaining because he lost to them and is disgraced he lost to bots.

Go to team arenas if you want real PvP. Oh wait, I forgot these elitists would rather die without their precious rank that absolutely means nothing in other PvP aspects of the game...

Mr Seph · Nov 04, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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So you're just saying you want real players so they can be dumb and stand in nukes or not kite as often, become less superior... I find the ability to add Heros a more of a challenge at times, with their reflexes buffed.

And to the fool who said that's what Hero Battles are for, Hero Battles is a horrid layout. Cap bases and fight to get 20 kills with dumbed down faction, not worth my time. Last nite I did HA with Heros and Henchies and beat a real team, I had 3 monks, my 2 hero monks and me, as I locked targets for my interuppter and other characters. If you guys can't beat it, learn to do better than because it's obvious it's human error that cannot defeat Heroway if you can't.

I don't think people would come on here and complain simply because they aren't real. I can however see for example the original poster complaining because he lost to them and is disgraced he lost to bots.

Go to team arenas if you want real PvP. Oh wait, I forgot these elitists would rather die without their precious rank that absolutely means nothing in other PvP aspects of the game...

I see you dont really get the point here. Most of us players are not complaining about losing to heroway. We are simply saying that heroes make HA incredibly boring. Winning from searing flames eles on every map with 1/2 guys controlling them just isnt really that hard.

But hey, its not called 'Heroes' Ascent for nothing i guess ....

luilui · Nov 04, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

So you're just saying you want real players so they can be dumb and stand in nukes or not kite as often, become less superior... I find the ability to add Heros a more of a challenge at times, with their reflexes buffed.

And to the fool who said that's what Hero Battles are for, Hero Battles is a horrid layout. Cap bases and fight to get 20 kills with dumbed down faction, not worth my time. Last nite I did HA with Heros and Henchies and beat a real team, I had 3 monks, my 2 hero monks and me, as I locked targets for my interuppter and other characters. If you guys can't beat it, learn to do better than because it's obvious it's human error that cannot defeat Heroway if you can't.

I don't think people would come on here and complain simply because they aren't real. I can however see for example the original poster complaining because he lost to them and is disgraced he lost to bots.

Go to team arenas if you want real PvP. Oh wait, I forgot these elitists would rather die without their precious rank that absolutely means nothing in other PvP aspects of the game...

I'm sure u r a noob if u prefer having heros in ur team or u actually think heros are better or u are not good enough to be accepted.

Vel Satis · Nov 04, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Ares982

And how about a compromise? Heroes will be available to all players below r3. When they get their rank, they lose heroes.

And then what? They'll still be just as green, they'll just be rank 3 beginners. By playing in teams in HA you learn how to play there. Playing with heroes teaches you nothing. Essentially you just admitted it's a fame farming mechanism. If you want to play HA do it the right way and maybe learn something.

Yunas Ele · Nov 04, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

For the love of god, it's not fair that you elitiests are getting your way in Halls. At least now inexperienced players will get a slight taste of what they missed out on because jerks don't let them in their group. This game... It's a game. Games are meant for fun, so let the newbies have some fun, everyone should have some fun, especially those who missed out on HA for a long time, you guys had your fun. Let them have fun now and shutup.

If you think PvE, err sorry I meant the current HA is even a slight taste of what HA use to be, you're mistaken. Guess what? Inexperienced players could get a group before. There were plenty of unranked groups before, join them and work your way up like the rest of us did. And honestly, even if now you can get yourself an NPC group in seconds, what is it gonna do for you? Do you honestly even enjoy it or are you just grinding it up so you can flash a cool emote?

You're right, games are meant to be fun, I completely agree with you there. The HA experience of fighting with other real players against other real players was a very fun, enjoyable experience. Thats why I and many others played HA. But now its just get some NPCs and grind vs other NPCs to get a cool emote? Is that your definition of fun? Because I can tell you its certainlly doesn't fit MY definition of fun.

The "newbs" could have their fun before by making their unranked groups and playing with real people against other real people. Right now, no one is having fun (at least not MY definition of fun...). The only people are happy are the ones who don't care about fun and just want to grind up a cool emote...

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Originally Posted by Aera

/notsigned

Let ppl have fun with heroes. If you can't beat em, you should probably stop playing because you suck.

Its not because we can't beat them that we are complaining, its because its ****ing boring to beat them. The fun element is gone. "Let ppl have fun with heroes" ? Nice joke, rolling through NPCs is not fun, IMO. The old HA was fun, the new HA is grind for ur cool deer emote with heroes. See my post on pg 7 for more info, not gonna repeat my rant over and over again...

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Originally Posted by Series

If you can't beat AI, you can't be too great...

See response to above quote, actually why am I even responding to you? You obviously haven't read much of this topic. Its not that we can't beat them, get that through your heads people, its that its ****ing boring to beat them.

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Originally Posted by Retniwreven

I find this thread hilarious. You feel challenged and threatened because a couple of NPC heroes and one person can beat you? Learn to play, please.

Wow, how many ****ing times so I have to say this. Its not that we are losing to NPCs, its that rolling through NPC teams is NOT fun. Fighting with a team of real players, vs another team of real player IS fun.

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Originally Posted by Retniwreven

Anyways, someone will flame me for that, but seriously. If you want people to stop using heroes, give them a reason. Invite them into your group. I see no reason for someone to wait for a group of other people their rank when they can simply load up some heroes and go.

Heres a damn good reason. To have fun! Man, who'd of thought of that one. Playing with NPCs vs other NPCs is not fun. Playing with other real players vs real players is fun. And that is why you take the time to form or join a group. Unranked players can find groups as well as make their own unranked groups. Stop acting like its impossible to start off. Its not. I know people who started unranked after factions or even later (at a time when the whiners say its only r6+ or r9+ groups and anyone else it is impossible to HA) and only played balance builds (formed unranked balance grps) and are now well respected r9+ players. Best of all they had fun playing that balance.

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Originally Posted by Retniwreven

If you're going to be elitist about rank, I see no reason for us, the unranked/low ranked, to respect anything you have to say.

I'm not being elitist about my rank. ANet could remove fame/rank for all I care. I just want the FUN element of HA back...

Finally, I love how all you people saying who want Heroes to stay can't respond to my post on pg 7. I clearly countered all the main points in that post. If you can prove anything I said there wrong, please do. But untill then it seems my post (and anyone posting similar stuff) is right.

Spader · Nov 04, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Everyone knows that if they kick the npc's out of HA then normal humans will just take on there roles. i.e. Star burst elements with 2 monks or 1 monk one rit.

If everyone is really gung ho about nerfing cheap builds limit the number of primary professions that can go in per team.

Siren · Nov 04, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Spader

Everyone knows that if they kick the npc's out of HA then normal humans will just take on there roles. i.e. Star burst elements with 2 monks or 1 monk one rit.

If everyone is really gung ho about nerfing cheap builds limit the number of primary professions that can go in per team.

Using Starburst is an issue concerning the metagame. It's irrelevant here.

Altair · Nov 04, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

/signed

I want to fight against real people !

One or two heroes/henchmen is ok, but not when there are 90% of the team !

Alt F Four · Nov 04, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

/notsigned x 100000

Learn to PvP. You wanna know why heroes are so powerful? Because they take the skills they're ordered to and follow targets. Maybe if you tried something better then a pug, you'd own them. gg.